Coping: Religions as Myth or History? Another Piece Fits

(Payson, AZ)_ —  It seems like an odd topic to tee off Friday morning with, but a Thursday piece in the Washington Post is more than worth your time to read – regardless of which brand of religion (if any) you choose to believe.

The story (here) has to do with Chinese myth that holds China began with a great Flood.


A Great Flood?

Try on this quote for size:

“The flood is pouring forth destruction. Boundless and overwhelming, it overtops hills and mountains,” goes a quote attributed to the legendary Emperor Yao. “Rising and ever rising, it threatens the very heavens.”

If civilization was to survive, the people needed a hero who could tame the floodwaters and restore the land. That man was Yu, founder of China’s first dynasty, the Xia. Over the course of decades, Yu organized a dredging campaign, dug channels that would carry the water back to its source, and pioneered a tradition of great Chinese public works.”

Depending on how much sleep you had last night, and what kind of religious up-bringing you have in your background, the Chinese version of ancient events sounds suspiciously like what would in modern times have been called a “global coastal event” – and every bit as scary not to mention life-changing for the survivors.

And this m yth is persistent in other sources, as well.

In Greek mythology, the lands of Atlantis (which some have theorized are under the Antarctic icecap now) were once home to an amazing civilization.

True, much ofx the fanciful crap about powered by crystals and such is likely made up, the idea that something of the Earth could power huge industries and feed people is not so far fetched.

We just don’t have the crystal approach down yet – we’re calling it uranium and enrichment.

From there, the myth spreads:  The fierce red-haired humans who came ashore at the tip of South America and seeded the high civilizations of South and Central America.  And what about all that5 gold-mining that was done in ancient times in Africa:  Human, or were we a trading outpost for off-planet types…

And it all fits in with the stories that fall out of the work of our friends up at the who are finding much the same thing in ancient (self-defining) Hebrew.

So here we have another data point to stick on the map of human history:  This is the nth culture that has Big Flood in their past.

Y9ou don’t need to be Hercules or an ancient Chinese scholar to figure out that when you get enough points on a scatter-chart it may be trying to tell you something.

And judging by the kind of progress we are making as humans? 

It’ll be a dead heat whether we grok to the bigger picture before we level the planet again.

But like Ecclesiastes points out:  There is nothing new under the Sun.

As Friday morning dawns, it all comes down to the Big Picture is resolving into a rather convincing Big Picture that we as human s have not yet been able to fully wrap our heads around.

\This latest pile of facts seem to support the idea of an older Flood event, elevations to power based on Flood, and the preservation in multiple cultural memories.

To me, this causes almost everything else in the news flow today to pale in comparison.  But then bedrock – especially when it comes to our core values – is something we take deadly serious around here.

Science and religion are continuing on a merger path… and that’s absolutely huge.

Friday Woo-Woo

Been saving this report for today because it’s the kind of report I had to think about a good bit before even attempting to write it.

\Here’s what happened:

Night before last, at our hotel room in Reno, I happened to be awakened in the middle of the night by Elaine talking in her sleep.

The problem is, the language she was talking made absolutely no sense.

I’ve been an avid shortwave radio listener for 50+ years and I have heard almost every language there is:  Can I sort out the rural Finnish dialects from Inuktitut?  No, But I have heard them – along with man y African and Middle Eastern tongues.

It was like NO OTHER LANGUAGE I have ever heard.

It was precisely spoken…it wasn’t just dream-noise.  No, it was précise and maybe three or four sentences worth

But now here is the really odd part of the language:  It was spoken as though there were absolutely NO VOWELS.

I have never heard a language like this one:  It was incredibly smooth – and after hearing it, I don’t think I could describe it any better than this. 

It was almost as though I was listening to an other-worldly voice – and that any use of a vowel was…how weird is this?…would simply corrupt language.

Oh – and it was emotionally warm.  Not like the hoch Deutsch or lower German with guttural sounds.  No clicks or pops…just utterly smooth words may up only of the vowel sounds

Elaine can’t remember the dream it came from, but says on this trip she has been having very vivid dreams – to the point where it seem s like she’s “somewhere else.”

Like what?

Best description she could come up with was “non-location” – no sense of sad or happy – just non-location.

If you have any ideas of what kind of language this might have been, please pass it along – sense this is bugging me and I would sure like to hear more of it…

One From the Road

Sure – why not?

One of Elaine’s snaps from the Mogollon Rim (Mountains north of Phoenix)  as we worked our way into Payson after coming down the scenic Mormon Lakes area of the Coconino National Forest..


Two more nights on  the road and then home to our usual summer routine…

Have a great weekend and more tomorrow for our readers and more Monday right here…/

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31 thoughts on “Coping: Religions as Myth or History? Another Piece Fits”

  1. Regarding myths, legends, religion . . . history?

    I would urge that you check out the videos with Joseph Campbell, the great lecturer on Mythology – he passed away like thirty years ago, but his films are classic.

    If you like what he is talking about he has some really thoughtful books on the subject. I prefer his four volume series, but his other books, say on the concept of ‘the hero’, are a great introduction.

  2. Was it all vowels or no vowels? All consonants sounds impossible. The Hawaiian language sounds pretty mellow and vowelly.

    • All consonants – which is why it was so intriguing – had no idea it could be like that

      • Hi George,

        It’s interesting that some languages are intelligible if you remove all vowels – English is that way. That’s impossible for Mandarin Chinese – it’s so vowel-centric.

        Did you notice any other encoding in Elaine’s voice? Things such as tones, pitch modulation, attack, phrasing or other aspects of speech other than the consonant-centric aspect?

      • I believe ancient Hebrew used no vowels? The word for God was written as YHWH (if you don’t count Y – as in “sometimes Y” as taught in school).

        I would check with your friend Chris at Chronicle Project on this one.


  3. Maybe the Atlanteans harnessed piezoelectricity in some way, or used one of the Tesla schematics I always seem to get mailed to me. On the latter, I gave a copy to an engineer who thinks it can be done with a tweak or two. I’m still waiting for her to get it done, as grad school and social life are preventing her from working on it.

  4. George, no.1 we all know about polar shifts. That would cause floods. No.2 were is your tape recorder or smart phone.have it at the ready the next time Elaine speaks in tongues.


    I sometimes wonder about Atlantis. .then I think of television,radio,digital media,haarp weather control..the myths of lost libraries from history.halls of records..then think..I have most of my books on a small chip the size of a raisin I got rid of all the paper..what would happen to all that information if a major catastrophic event were to take place..would most of what we know be lost to wouldn’t be sudden unless we had a world how many generations would it take to loose what we have now..use up the resources we now have. We’ve done away with industry here our country is a consumer nation our industry has moved to another nation..all for a piece of would history remember us..a world bent on greed lusting paper.

  6. George, for the best research on the “The Great Flood”, read Graham Hancock’s latest book “Magicians of the Gods: The Forgotten Wisdom of Earth’s Lost Civilization”.

  7. Since we are multi-dimensional beings and during sleep we do, on occasion, leave our bodies and travel to those dimensions, then indeed Elaine was communicating with someone. Record it next time from your cell phone.

  8. A digital recorder that is triggered by sound would be an interesting investment. Maybe software for your phone.

  9. Noah’s Flood as a warning that God has judged and therefore will judge again, they would have to agree that God is going to come back as judge, but next time He will use fire.

  10. Re: Religions as Myth or History – Here is an inductive gestalt for you.

    1 – The Holocene geological period began roughly 9,700 BCE.

    2 – The “Last Glacial Period” ended roughly ended roughly 12,000 BCE.

    3 – Glacial lake outburst floods: “… Glacial lake volumes vary, but may hold millions to hundreds of millions of cubic metres of water. Catastrophic failure of the containing ice or glacial sediment can release this water over periods of minutes to days … Glacial Lake Outburst Floods are often compounded by a massive river bed erosion in the steep moraine valleys,[1] as a result, the flood peaks increase as they flow downstream until the river reaches, where the sediment deposits. On a downstream floodplain, it suggests a somewhat slower inundation spreading as much as 10 kilometres (6.2 mi) wide. Both scenarios are significant threats to life, property and infrastructure.”

    4 – “First came the temple, then the city.”[40] “ as quoted in an article about Gobekli Tepie Temple site in modern day Turkey. This temple (i.e. religious site) dates back roughly 10,000 BCE.

    Connecting the dots: At the end of the Ice Age, give or take a couple of thousand years, glaciers around the world melted at various geographical rates, thus creating glacial streams, thus glacial lakes, and thus glacial lake ice jams, which at various times around the world, thus created humongous floods which were sometimes cataclysmic in scope and depth, which were explained by early myths (and subsequently religious teachings). There you have it in a nutshell.

  11. All old Flood news. Try: The Earth: The Theater of the Universe by Clarence H. Benson, 1929. The science is dated, of course, but Benson, nonetheless, has a plethora of spiritual and physical insights. Predates Worlds in Collision’s catastrophism and cultural similarities of The Flood by 20+ years.

  12. Last I checked, over 216 separate cultures around the world had flood traditions. What is more intriguing is that over 70% of them contained the same 8 elements, the rest missing only one or two. Statistically this is very significant and points to the documentation of a historical event. One of the notable exceptions was the South American traditions, which had a man and his family climb the mountain to escape the flood, with the animals following him. Almost all the others relied on a floating raft or barge of some kind.

  13. Hi G
    I don’t think I ever sent this update on the flood of Noah and what rained for 40 days. Check it out.
    Chris…the chronicle project.

    v11 At the six hundredth year in Nakha’s (Noah’s) memory, amid the second time of the new moon, on the seventeenth day into the time of the new moon, during that day previously mentioned, the oceans increased therefore to cleave away everything in sight. And an increasing numbers of meteors began to fall from the celestials.
    v12 And so existed the (meteors) to shower those upon the Earth forty day(s) and forty nights.

  14. Regarding Elaine’s sleep speech, look to Wales. Fewer vowels in their native words than any other I’ve ever seen.

  15. George as I recall you once mentioned that Elaine has some Indian blood. Perhaps she was “remembering” a language of her people from long ago?

  16. If a polar shift were to happen right now…we would be thrust back thousands of years..with industry ran with robots and in assembly line fashion and outsourcedto other countries we would loose that..once the stockpiled resources were depleted and libraries distroyed… we literally would be at the stone we would have a difficult time to build a pyramid in twenty years..or build a cobble stone road through the jungles of south America that are as smooth today and still used as they were thousands of years ago ..heck we can’t fix the infrastructure we have letting it slowly erode..

  17. There was a wonderful show on television a few years ag called the colony…they took ten subjects and gave them a story line where civilization has been wiped out as we know it..placing them I’d the rubble oooif a destroyed city to survive..I had thought then and now as we see the shows naked and afraid.dual survival, survivor,the colony etc…that in some way these shows could be in some way a social and psychological experiment to see if in a major catastrophic event if mankind would survive and they would need to survive in a harsh world without the comforts we all take for granted…similar to the Nazi experimentation they did to prisoners..this time with the participants being volunteers

    • If that’s true and it is an experiment. Then what is it that the experimenters are in some way expecting to happen…

  18. George,

    Since you will no doubt be driving through New Mexico this weekend, remember that it’s tax free weekend! Anything that’s vaguely related to “back to school”, including some computer equipment and perhaps even clothing is being pushed as sales tax free. The state does this once a year, probably so they don’t have to do it all year.

  19. Maybe if that picture was taken before bed Elaine might be connecting with the Mogollon people, (200ce-1450-1540ce). Not sure of their language.

  20. George, I swear your writings always lead me down paths of links in research. This is a little off-topic from the languages, but that search led me to the book listed below regarding “electric” supply of ancient civilizations. Reminds me of the research you’re doing in alternative supply sources.

    The Electric Mirror on the Pharos Lighthouse and Other Ancient Lighting by Larry Brian Radka

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