Coping: A Case of Co-Dreaming

I’ve been sitting on this for several days, coming to grips not only with the event I’m about to describe, but also its ramifications for a new field of science I quite accidentally stumbled-over in the past few years.

I will hold off on naming the “new field” until my next book is done.  But I will explain the concept of “co-dreaming.”

If you’ve read my novel “DreamOver: Action-Adventure on the Frontiers of Reality,” you have a head-start on grasping the concept.  In that book….

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…a U.S. Navy electronics intelligence officer finds himself able to live in other lives during his sleeping state.  What makes it so interesting (both writing it and as a reader- I hope!) is the concept of bringing over knowledge from other “states.”

We have covered some of those in the last two morning’s of “Coping” here on UrbanSurvival.

Friday, I explained in detail how what we “pretend” is reality, the waking-state, is only one small aspect of a much larger process.

In the Friday discussion, I used the analogy of Broadband over Power Lines (BPL) technology as a useful “thought model.”

The “waking-state” is analogous to simple high voltage AC distribution systems.  Engineers are comfortable talking about AC power systems because we have evolved the tools (in the form of volt and ammeters) to measure both the pressure (volts) and volume of flow (amps).

Yet, since 1976 and Dr. Raymond Moody’s breakthrough book “Life After Life: The Bestselling Original Investigation That Revealed “Near-Death Experiences” it has been scientifically demonstrable that a) the spirit/consciousness may not be confined to the body and b) this state gives rise to certain people experiencing forms of “knowledge at a distance.”

The NDE’s are not frequent or common, for a variety of reasons.  Not the least of which are the following key factors:

  • They are similar to “waking-state dreams” which is common in shamanistic cultures, but which has been bred out of current society by a combination of imperial religions as well as reductionist science.
  • Experiences are also “noise dependent.”  The class of experience described by Moody in NDE’s is only one state.  Other aspects laid out in Dean Radin’s book Real Magic: Ancient Wisdom, Modern Science, and a Guide to the Secret Power of the Universe.
  • Subtle inputs figure into the quality of “other reality experiences” (what I call in my next book ORE’s).  Things like nutrition, sleep depth, vitamin and nutrition optimization, and a whole lot more.
  • It’s also very hard for many people to experience ORE’s because of the nature of how they sleep.  Plus there’s the matter of taking up a new practice – which I will explain more fully in the upcoming book – that will allow much better recall.
  • Last, but most important, people are not in the ‘habit of recalling dreams” in normal experience.  thus, we expect many more NDE’s happen than are reported due to the waking process which fails to respect and carry-over those experiences from other realms.

This was captured, to some degree in Monday’s discussion about OSA – other side art.  Which is what the practice of bringing back imagery from The Realms is all about.

Now to the mind-blower.


When conditions are just right to provide for vivid, lucid dreaming, and when a person can bring it back to this side (e.g. the waking-state), there’s one more aspect that Elaine and I seem to be on the verge of experiencing.

Called “co-dreaming” it’s when two spirits/souls/consciousness’s can head into The Realms and experience either largely similar, if not identical experiences while ASLEEP.

Let me tell you what it may be like as two people  approach a full-on “co-dream.”

My dream had started with a “cops and robbers” adventure story involving myself and a different spouse (not Elaine) who was not present in the house I was occupying as the dream sequence opened.  There were no children there, either.  A ‘father-figure’ lived next door, though.

Across the street was a small gang of drug dealers. Half a dozen? They were “refining product” and I was helping the “police/authorities” surveil and try to catch them.

Part of this involved leaving this house.  More like a NYC apartment.  Wide front stairs, which brought you to a porch have a story up…

Leaving,  several surrealistic scenes followed, one of which involved a food stand of some kind on a city streetscape.  Curiously, it was a hot sandwich place.  Maybe 10-by 20.  Set up so the owner/operator would be inside; customers out and paying at the order window.

There were two things going on here:  One was the shop was being used as a distribution point for people buying drugs (they would buy some food and would pay extra to get drugs).  And in the back room, there was some other illegal activity going on…something like a counterfeiting machine that was wheeled out a side door while police/authorities were given free food at the food window.

Looking in the window, I could see the equipment going out a side door at the back, off to the right and into the night.

This was all taking place in front of a hotel. The food joint was less than 100-feet to the left of the front entrance of the hotel where a doorman stood.  I decided to enter and have a look around.

There was  an elevated entry with reception desk, and then an elevated walkway through the lobby.  Not real high; maybe 3-4 feet.  Enough to give a nice sense of scale and perspective.  Down a few stairs, to either side of the walkway, were meeting rooms, lounge, and food areas.  The ones to the right held my attention.

I found myself drawn to a large conference room affair, where some kind of environmental movie was to be debuted. A bar-height conference table was surrounded by high bar stools, enough seating there for 20 people, or more.  But it didn’t look comfortable so I sat at the back on some over-stuffed couches.

As I was waiting, a very fetching woman showed up, who I didn’t recognize me.  She sat on my left.  She was wearing skin-tight dark blue stretch pants with a slash of red at the bottom, a bit longer than capri-length.

I knew almost instinctively that this was a “kept woman” belonging to a particular kind of businessman. the kind who has more money than morals, and who dabbled in crime on the side.

She put her right leg over my left and intimated that we were supposed to have a sexual encounter, but not right there..

We left the meeting room, and I followed her – walking on the elevated platform – past more meeting rooms and bar areas, until we came back of the hotel where there was a stairway that led up to a huge two-level fitness area.

On the way up, she told me to be very quiet as we sneaked past the open office door of a man who was busily arranging some kind of sporting event.  He was the manager of the sports and fitness areas.  She didn’t want him knowing we were about.

Then, at the end of another stair climb, we found several rooms. They were all empty.  I’d looked in three of them and the dark hall we’ve arrived from.

Just as I was about to meet her for a little yah-hah, she hesitated…and I awoke.

So much for the dream, right?  Adventure, a hint of sex, city scenes…nothing special.

BUT now we get to the ODD part.

Back on this side of The Realms (me arriving in the waking state, 3:18 AM) Elaine is making moaning noises in her sleep.

The she woke up.

“You were moaning in your…what were you dreaming about? Everything OK?”

I was in a hotel and I was there with a man who wanted to have sex with me, but he was married and I told him no way…

“Tell me about the hotel?”

It was large.  There were meeting rooms, some bars, and a couple of restaurants around it.  It was also very white on the inside.”

“Tell me about the man who was after you?”

He was like you, kind of heavy-set, but younger, and wearing a green suit of some kind.  Darker complexion.  Like (person we both know) but different…

“What else do you remember?”

Elaine was quiet for several minutes.  The she announced:

Yes.  My name was Joy Abner.”

I hadn’t even thought about my outline for a second David Shannon adventure novel in perhaps a year.  But the working name of novel #2 is “Co-Dreamers.

Like DreamOver, this was like dreaming a scene from a future dream.  I don’t make a big deal about it, but the scenes in DreamOver of lives in the vivid dream Realm are not the products of my waking state imagination.  There were each dreamed.

Is this how an “active imagination” fills in the plot for writers, or is there something else strange going on?  How about both?

To have Elaine and me both dreaming of being with others in a hotel with similar attributes (like bars, restaurants, and meeting rooms) and to have it presenting a sexual angle  AT THE SAME TIME goes past coincidence in my sense of normal..

Is this how a couple can move toward co-dreaming?

That’s when my writing plans took a major turn.  The next book, Psychocartography: Mapping Your Realms, has morphed from a “theory book” to a “workbook.”  The first several chapters are about episodes like this one.  The workbook part, however, is designed (and I’m now using it) to map personal experiences.

As the book will explain, your “being” lives in multiple realms, not only in the simplified “waking state” but also in the “sleep and near-sleep” states.

There are states where you can have “adventures” while others offer “futures” and even that rune-seeing place that I call “Seeing Your Source Code?” On this side of sleep, we have daydreams, creation space, work/process execution spaces, learning spaces, and more.

The objective seems to be the process of becoming consciously aware in each state and work on you ability to control and use it most effectively.  That involves learning to “move recall between Realms.”

Is something else going on in the “near co-dream” Elaine and I experienced?  Perhaps our minds coincidentally both dredged up remnants of an Al Capp cartoon book Li’l Abner from 1939?Joy ABNER, right?

Except, it was too Imax-like in its clarity and tactility.  Sounds, wind, tastes…as good as reality on this side, and then some.

Elaine’s not into carrying her dreams into the day, yet.  That takes a lot of work.  She’s “reader #1” for what comes from the book effort.

The process startst by remembering for a few minutes after “touching down on this side.” Then you work on recalling dreams over longer-periods.

As she dropped off to sleep, after our 3:20 AM talk,Elaine offered one more hint at how this may work.  “I’m not a very emotional personThat’s why I can go back there…”


I’d never thought about emotions as being time domain or shared reality anchors before.  Could it be that people who are suited to venturing The Realms are those who are “married” in a different way that is commonly understood by the gender marriage crowd?

Could it be that to “hook up” in The Realms that there has to be a certain level of psycho-physical energy dissipated between many Realms which then enables one person, or partners to visit?

If so, would that explain one of the roles of monogamy?  The one that doesn’t make sense if we’re living the one-way railroad, nothing matters at the End model, so popular with atheists?

There’s so much more, but we have a nominal world to go live in now.

I did want to share this with you as one of the real adventures in life.  Well-past dreams, there are Realms which as I tried to capture in DreamOver (and will do better in Psychocartography) are very much as “real” as this one, when you work at it.

Shamanism?  Delusion? Art?  Or a new kind of exploration where there’s a field trip every night?

The process may be something like this:

• First you dream.

• Then you recall.

• Then you map your Realms

• And then you visit with your Life partner.

What happens on this side then when your energetic beings can move around freely having all kinds of adventures together?

Doesn’t really matter, does it?

Space-time warps and it doesn’t “feel” at all.  When you’ve lived a day – or longer – in The Realms when only 10-minutes has passed on a close “back here” a sense of awe overcomes you.

It just may be the way out of Escape Room Earth…

Write when you get rich,

31 thoughts on “Coping: A Case of Co-Dreaming”

  1. I dream alot and remember the dreams. I am a singer/songwriter/multi-instrumentalist and I also dream alot of original songs/ melodies.

    I found the most lucid dreams possible, came from using MSM sulfur , which is supposed to be a healthy action for the body. I ingested it with water for about a week or so, then I started to mix it with water and administer it via a enema and let it absorb into my blood stream that way , so it would bypass the gastric system. After doing this for several days, my dreams no longer felt like dreams. It became to real for me to handle. It truly was unbelievable and evidently other people have this experience because the sulfur activates the brains neuron receptors.

    Part of me wants to try the sulfur again because the vivid dreams were kind of a life changing event. It made me realize that if dreams can seem like 100% reality, then maybe what we think is reality, when we are awake, is not even reality.

    On another note, DOW futures up 230 points right now.

    Can anything stop this stock market now ? I fear this next big bull run, is gonna take off without me.

    • sulfur enema’s.. ewww…. LOL I love good water so I filter mine. even if I am at someones house and they have unfiltered well water..

      I have both of those.. the grayl is pretty awesome..the water makes great coffee.. but to make sure I have the ozone and a uv pen.. I am sure its a little bit of an overkill but then I don’t want sulfur or arsenic in anything I drink. I lived in an apartment once where the water came from a big aquifer for the city.. you use to see green stuff in it all the time. so I keep the grayl and all of the other in my car no matter where I go I have a good cup of water. LOL then again you should see my home water filter..

      • looking out of the box- I was using sulfur enemas as a way to help defeat the Lyme disease I had contracted. I was not aware of the lucid dreams it would produce as a counter affect.

        By the way, enemas are nothing new and certainly shouldn’t be causing mature adults to LOL..LOL…LOL….coffee enemas are also popular. Colloidal silver can also be administered rectally to bypass the gastric acids.

    • I do have to admit I had heard of the coffee enema’s.. but the UK is doing some pretty good studies on the affects of cannabis oil and coconut oil to fight cancer, lymes disease etc.. Now they had me on medications for lymes and they never suggested enema’s

      I wasn’t trying to put anyone down or poke fun at anyone but what I found funny was the first vision that entered was that of a match .I do apologize for making light of such a serious illness. I know for a fact that I would do anything to cure an illness for myself or my family…
      i added this last one because of the close similarities and the ability to fight off the disease..

      • looking out the box….no apology needed. I just thought I should clarify why I tried MSM sulfur rectally. You seemed to find it very funny, and I just wanted to let you know I wasn’t doing it on my end, for amusement . I do know that when I took the sulfur orally, my dreams were more vivid after a few weeks, but once I tried it rectally, the dreams no longer seemed like dreams and it was this experience that brought me to the possible conclusion that ALL of our lives could be the most advanced dream state , even when we are concious or this could be some type of a simulation advanced hologram, etc. I do not think the numerous religions and religious texts provide the true answer. I feel they are merely diversions, lies or faulty attempts to explain what we think is our existence. I find it kinda sad but ironic, that none of us have a chance to figure it all out, until we die, and even then, we still may not get the right answers.

    • This coincides with the alien interview book of when people die Spirit soul is shocked and their memory is erased and their Spirit soul put back into another body.
      The remote viewer deals an exit 2 this reincarnation process bye dying at a 45 degree angle

      • Thanks for the link, very interesting. I’ve heard the “Prison planet” idea before (not Alex Jone’s)forcing souls back to reincarnate, however when I had my NDE I didn’t experience this and was able to reach near-Earth space before being called back to my body, which had drown.

  2. …I knew I came here for the woo, but Sulfur enemas are a new, uh, pipeline to the High Strange…

  3. My most I call hilarious dream was I was in bed and I was on top of the lady and I was humping then I woke up and discovered there was no one underneath of me but I wouldn’t going to let one of those things go to waste so I went ahead and finished it up hahaha. It pays to get your push-up exercise going you know rivalidades your system and your emotions and gives you a good feeling in the morning and for the rest of the day

  4. Inter-dimensional transference is the hallmark of our existence. We exist in all of them at once, but are only aware of this seasonally. Enjoy the ride !!

    • , you have control over the volume that you hear.


      Close your eyes

      Lie down spread your legs open open your arms above your head and stretch

      Now breathe and count as you breathe

      Continue with your eyes closed

      Bring your arms and your hands slowly after you stretched into your solar plexus the keep your hands apart minutely enough the foreman attraction

      Expand your mind now taking everything that you want or have thoughts about let all the thoughts Russian

      Jet Li slowly open it up your brain your mind your visualization slowly open it up and see a little spot right there in front of you just a little teeny spot Scott light that’s what you want to go for

      Now let’s put some intention on that little spot light to say hey I want you to grow bigger I want this little spot alight to get bigger and bigger to the point where when I my eyes are closed I see nothing but this brand light

      What’s next you ask at this point time unplace and in your physicality where you’re at you can do anything you can change it you can go like this is what I want you refer to create your desires and what’s going to happen is you’re going to go to sleep and when you wake up you will have this inclination this driving you toward those thoughts that you had earlier before you went to sleep

      Now you discover this new power source that you’re able to do that overrides everything in the universe that you’ve been taught unless you’ve been talked us thoughts have wings where do you want to fly to

  5. George, today’s column reminds me of the old Barsoom series by Edgar Rice Burroughs. The protagonist would astral travel to Mars, where he had all kinds of adventures, including finding a princess! He would come back to this life, then the travel would recur and the adventures continued from where he left off. This continued and a whole series of books were written. As I understand it, the astral is not constrained by time, space, or possibly dimensions.

    I’ve experienced the co-dream effect when in a seriously altered state when sleeping with my beloved of a generation ago. We were both in the same state and it was wonderful. Today we’re still in touch but she wants an “independent” life and lives far away. I do believe that sex is way underrated and misused by society and not nearly as well experienced as it could be. There’s something special about the words “sex magic”, and it starts with love and intention.

    I definitely need to look into the MSM sulfur thing.

    • I would counsel caution on anything like MSM sulfur…some people are highly sensitive/reactive.

      • Yes George…I was just relaying my experience on MSM sulfur. It did not have any noticeable effects on me, other then the lucid dreams and for some people it may not even have that effect, but there seems to be some people online that claim they also had dreams so vivid, they could not tell they were dreams.

  6. lmao this is just like an old l.a. rafferty story:

    “What did you mean it rained dirty green all the time? Tell me all about it.”
    “I will not, Mr. Swicegood. I was just telling a dream I had to Agnes. It isn’t any of your business.”
    “Well, I have to hear all of it. Tell me everything you dreamed.”
    “I will not. It was a dirty dream. It isn’t any of your business. If you weren’t a friend of my Uncle Ed Kelly, I’d call a policeman for your bothering me.”
    “Did you have things like live rats in your stomach to digest for you? Did they—”
    “Oh! How did you know? Get away from me. I will call a policeman. Mr. McCarty, this man is annoying me.”

    read it here:

    also: phenibut for lucid dreaming.
    i take .3 g (i’m 200 lbs.) and it’s a wig flipper. act surprised when it’s no longer otc. still on ebay for now.

  7. After reading the sample of Dean Radin’s new book Real Magic, etc, I had a dream that I cannot remember but woke up @ 2 am to an intense feeling of evil being present in the room (Demons). It was not an enjoyable feeling. That is why everyone should stay away from magic. It invites demons who are more than happy to open the door & enter.

    • for me.. when I was younger I often wanted to know if I could charge my employer for the work I did when I was sleeping and dreaming of work.. then I figured.. I had better not bring that up since I was pretty sure that he was already paying a lot of idiots that by all my observations had to be sleeping while they worked. My favorite guy was stew. when you seen him he was the busiest guy you could ever meet. carried a clip board.. had that intense look about him.. you hated to ask him to do anything because you didn’t want to interfere with his scheduled work..many years went by. one day we were sitting after work having a cold adult beverage and I asked.. hey .. just what does Stew do. one of the guys is the guy that handles the paperwork everything that man did with the papers on that clip board had to pass his eyes. another was head of production. etc etc.. you know what.. for over a decade Stew’s whole job was walking around looking busy carrying a clip board LOL LOL LOL LOL I left shortly after that but to this day I see someone walking around with a clip board I laugh. LOL at the store one day a while back I was having coffee with the general manager of the chain and a few other old friends and I jokingly said you know what I should do.. you keep shifting the store right to left up to down. I am going to go take some pictures of a competitors Isles and then make up a portfolio put on a ( god forbid me for even thinking this) suit a name tag and walk in look hectic and start having them rearrange the isles to match another stores isles.. LOL.. they general manager got this shocked look on his face and said.. by god don’t do it.. LOL LOL LOL cause I know and he knew I could get the job done dissrupt everything.. a company whose products I love doesn’t want to sell their products.. which blows my mind away.. has to be a clip board crew in sales.. same thing.. I would love to take over that company or put it on a big box order book.

  8. You might want to check out the writings of Joseph Chilton Pierce, who wrote The Crack in the Cosmic Egg. At a lecture by him roughly 25 years ago, he described hypnotizing two people at the same time. In that state they found themselves walking and talking together on an “otherworldly” beach, with irradescent sand and multicolored sky. An experience they both clearly remembered after coming out of thier joint hypnotic state. Dream state versus hypnotic state….how are they alike?

  9. George,

    Your column made me think of this from The Wheel of Time books.



    In the Old Tongue, “The Unseen World”, a world that reflects the waking world in strange ways. Non-living objects in the real world have their counterparts in Tel’aran’rhiod according to how permanent they are in the real world – a building will be stable in Tel’aran’rhiod but things that only remain in the same place in the real world for a short period of time will only appear in Tel’aran’rhiod for a while before vanishing out of existance, possibly being replaced by some other ephermal object.

    Tel’aran’rhiod is also the World of Dreams. When people are dreaming they may occasionally touch the world of dreams and appear in Tel’aran’rhiod briefly, playing out their dreams. This is dangerous however, because anyone that dies in Tel’aran’rhiod dies in the real world – they simply never awake from their sleep.

    There are people who can enter Tel’aran’rhiod voluntarily. Dreamwalkers are people who have the ability to enter Tel’aran’rhiod in their dreams under their own control and can manipulate things there. Those who can talk to wolves often enter the Wolf Dream, which may simply intersect Tel’aran’rhiod, or it may be the same thing.

    Certain ter’angreal also allow people to enter Tel’aran’rhiod in their sleep – some require channeling, some do not. Also, powerful Aes Sedai can create a gateway to Tel’aran’rhiod, allowing them to physically enter the World of Dreams. This is said to rob people of their humanity however, and Aiel dreamwalkers expressly recommend against it.

    In the World of Dreams a person can control their environment and appearance through willpower, changing things to suit themselves. The bigger the change, the more control and willpower it takes however, and the shorter period of time it will last, although no change is permanent.

  10. I have co-dreamed with a partner. I’ve long been able to influence my dreams and I found myself “fixing” her dreams.

    99+% of my dreams are entertaining and I enjoy them immensely. The disturbing ones I can usually bend to be more pleasant or I wake up. One unpleasant recurring dream I discovered happened only when the full moon shined in on my face. That was easy to fix! Haven’t had that one in decades.

    You also mentioned living in parallel universes in dreams. I have one I visit every month or two. Some things are almost parallel to my “waking” reality and some are radically different. But they were consistent, week to week, month to month. Sometimes I wonder if my alternate reality visits this one in his dreams.

    Food for thought… Or dreams…


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