Bitcoin Over? Options Reveal Fall

A lot of so-called futurists are out on statistical limbs once again, prediction five-digit highs for BTCs and much more.  We also have the usual herd of newsletter writers (some claiming past work with government agencies) making lots of other projections about where markets will head next.

Around here, we tend to sit back and use a computational future approach to such problems.  Not that a computational approach always works, but “rules of thumb” don’t show up in colloquial speech because they are wrong.  There’s usually some truth to them.

So here we have two to consider:  What’s ahead for the market this fall and what’s ahead for Bitcoins.



With regard to the market, we should be about to resume a large upward move that should last until August 21-24.  This would put us in an ideal position to replay the 1929 market debacle suffered by Herbert Hoover, who we know in present day to have Donald Trump reprising the role in the Great Rhyme of History.

One of the problems with seeing a change of topology – because what we’re talking about here is a computational future – is that the really important data is hard to aggregate.

It’s not unlike the problem of trying to map brain function, over time, in order to fully comprehend the psychological topology of individual thought.

In the case of the brain, we know that at a given age, a person may have an IQ of 100.  But despite this being the dead-center of the Gaussian distribution/Bell Curve of the IQ distribution of the general population (genpop) the problem is that there is much to be learned by digging deeper into how the person’s brain works.

One subject (score: 100) may have done exceptionally well in math and physics, logic, and chemistry, for example.  At the same time, however, they may have sucked at English.

What I observed as a vocational college president, was that despite norming at average, people with “average” numbers in an overall sense were usually quite gifted in another.

A second subject (also score: 100) might have done miserably at math, no idea that f=ma, but may have aced the portions of the test dealing with language, art, English, and they might even remember what iambic pentameter is.  Pity those who think metrical lines are made of blow…but I digress.

The point is we have two exceptional people and yet they come out rather average when measured by the currently inadequate sampling tools.

The stock market is much the same way.  When you know where to look – and do so over time – certain well-formed inferences made be made.

The problem (and we get into this kind of realm on our site now and then) is that it’s damn difficult to find repositories where you can actually download option prices over time.

Oh, sure, you can log into your trading platform and see what a September 2017 2400 put option cost as of the close Monday.

But how does that cost per contract compare with a week ago?  Then last month?  And so forth.

What many of us small-time players end up doing is keeping a spreadsheet that might look like this:

You can see what we’ve got here:  When we keep an eye on the December 2400 S&P put options (*strikes) we see that they hit a low price on June 8th.  They have been rising since. $7,010 to $7,788

This is not trivial:  And 11 percent price change in less than a week always gets our attention while we’re laboriously spending afternoons punching quotes after the close into our various financial grimoires.  (Open sesame!  And the .xls open!)

There are likely to be concurrent indicators of a passing peak.  And this gets us to the BTC pricing.  Using another one of our computational tools from the Peoplenomics side, and eyeballing a first wave up (in Elliott terms) to the current process, we have a possible ending range to consider that looks like this:

This is why I am not in a big hurry to run out and throw money willy-nilly at Bitcoins or any other Crypto.

They should come down and as they do, another wave will become measurable (once a bottom is in) and we will then be able to predict a more accurate long-term high.

Which has what to do with today?

Well, I trust you saw my note Monday that I blew out of my short-side play in the market.  When the Fed makes the rate announcement tomorrow, we will likely use the reaction.

I have to credit long time colleague Rick Ackerman ( ) with observing that when the Fed FOMC makes it announcement, the market usually reacts in three stages.

Immediately, there is a small to medium move in the direction things will really go longer-term.

Then, there will be a pullback as the risk-averse rich – having seen the directional signal – will beat down prices and will make their entry some minutes after the FOMC statement.

Finally, the market gets going in the direction it will really go.

Armed with these simple tools, we could go on all morning about how the market could go down if the Fed fails to raise.  Reason?  That would admit that the economic data is not so strong, after all.  On the other side, a raise means all it well, let’s all go pile in and run it up to my target levels in mid to late August.

That will set the stage for the collapse in the fall and that’s likely to come with a fall crisis in confidence that the Special Prosecutor of Donald Trump is likely to deliver.

The bigger rhyme of history, you see, if for Trump to reprise the role of Hoover for the rest of his term.  Instead of the Bonus March Hoover suffered through, we will have the massive (left/democrat gov’t in exile orchestrated) benefits demonstrations this fall in DC.

And then the market will crash, realizing that with zero real growth, the economy will have arrived at the tail-end of the Roaring Twenties replay.

I’m not the only one saying this…and no, it doesn’t take oodles of computational horsepower to figure it out.  Just a little hard work.

And example may be found in what Morningside-Hill capital released earlier this month:  They revealed that 93% of all job “growth” since 2008 has been “made up” by the Labor Department’s CES Birth-Death Model, something we diligently cover when it comes out for precisely this reason.

SpottMoney has a dandy summary of how it lays out over here…and yes, SprottMoney is worth bookmarking which is more than I can say for the political media in this country.

On the other hand, “US recession remote in next 12 months: Deutsche Bank.”  Will this turn into the analog of this famous gaffe:

“There may be a recession in stock prices, but not anything in the nature of a crash.” – Irving Fisher, Leading U.S. Economist, New York Times (Sept. 5, 1929)

So we shall watch, run the numbers and have more for Peoplenomics subscribers tomorrow.

Fire Mueller?

Let me see:  Hiring a bunch of democrat contributors and Hillary/Obama supporters…yeah, that’d be a reason.

We see that a Trump friend floats possibility of firing special counsel in Russian probe…but can he?

And then we have Jeff Sessions today on Russia and Comey – live stream may be here.

I don’t know about you, but seems to me we’re on the verge of renaming Washington D.C. something more appropriate:


Democrat Loaded 9th Circuit Bans Ban

I don’t know if you realize this, but 27 of the 43 judges of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals were appointed by democrat presidents.

So it is less than surprising that the Trump Travel ban was turned down and will now head for the US Supreme Court.

In response, His Twitterness offered “Well, as predicted, the 9th Circuit did it again – Ruled against the TRAVEL BAN at such a dangerous time in the history of our country. S.C..”

Meantime, if (God forbid) we get an airliner blown out of the sky by terrorist elements that would be stopped by the proposed ban, will we see the media honestly report “Democrat immigration push kills first planeload?

Hmmm…I sort of doubt it.

Producer Prices Flat

Hand me the press release ju jour, please?

The Producer Price Index for final demand was unchanged in May, seasonally adjusted, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Final demand prices rose 0.5 percent in April and edged down 0.1 percent in March. (See table A.) On an unadjusted basis, the final demand index increased 2.4 percent for the 12 months ended in May.

Within final demand in May, a 0.3-percent increase in the index for final demand services offset a 0.5-percent decline in prices for final demand goods.

Prices for final demand less foods, energy, and trade services fell 0.1 percent in May, the first decline since a similar 0.1-percent decrease in May 2016. For the 12 months ended May 2017, the index for final demand less foods, energy, and trade services moved up 2.1 percent.

Final Demand

Final demand services: Prices for final demand services rose 0.3 percent in May following a 0.4-percent advance in April. The May increase can be attributed to the index for final demand trade
services, which moved up 1.1 percent. (Trade indexes measure changes in margins received by
wholesalers and retailers.) In contrast, prices for final demand services less trade, transportation, and warehousing fell 0.1 percent, and the index for final demand transportation and warehousing services declined 0.5 percent.

Against this backdrop Dow futures are up 26 and NASDAQ futures are up 24-ish.

Turned out to be a good call (for now) to get out of the short.  More on the use of the mid-channel trend line for Peoplenomics subscribers tomorrow.

Our usual fun and frivolity back here Thursday morning, although we may post the FOMC Statement tomorrow with a few remarks…

Off to a tooth cleaning.  As Jumping Jack Flash puts it, “It’s a gas, gas…” has…


Bitcoin Over? Options Reveal Fall — 57 Comments

  1. The old librarian,
    You wrote:
    “1. Every time you write you show you don’t think.
    2. You’re not old enough or well read enough to have a sense of NBA history.
    3. When NBA championships became a matter who could spend the most money, many of us lost interest.”

    First, I have forgotten more about the NBA than you will ever know in 10 lifetimes. Actually your comments show you know nothing about the sport.

    Since when have NBA Championships NOT been a matter of who spent the most money? Ever hear of the Showtime Lakers or the Kobe-Shaq Lakers? How about every Celtics champion or Jordan’s Bulls and Both of LeBrons handpicked super teams in Miami and Cleveland?
    If you are referring to the Warriors in that same category, at least the Warriors have mostly home grown talent. Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green and bench players Ian Clark and Patrick McCaw were all drafted by the Warriors. The only player they “bought” was Kevin Durant. This is about as pure of a team that has ever existed.

    And who has lost interest? Certainly not the fans. NBA TV ratings are at an all time high and regular season attendance set another record with 21,997,875 this year, which is coming off of record attendance records from the previous two years.

    I know as a Trump supporter and Fox News fan, facts aren’t important to you, but it sure makes you look quite dumb.

    • A sad confession from the old newsman.

      Back in the 1970’s Slick Watts et al of the Seattle Sonics went to the playoffs.

      As a rock and roll news star I got two tickets courtside at the radio table.

      Went to exactly one game. Gave the rest of the tix away.

      What? Give away courtside tix for the NBA playoffs? In-huh. Great team…but sometimes is it more important to share…and I’m not sure people do that any more. Because just sure as shit the concept of sharing and getting along in America has taken a long lunch.

      • I can appreciate that George. I had Atlanta Hawks season tickets I shared with a group and gave most of them away. First, I do like to give and actually, sometimes it just better to watch a game out of the comfort of your own home, or a neighborhood bar.

        Warriors tickets are much harder to get I am finding, but I wouldn’t change my behavior. I would still get more joy giving them out to friends and colleagues.

        I am not sure I agree with you about the concept of people not sharing. Todays millennials are all about sharing in what we have actually coined “The Sharing Economy”, or the new term called “Collaborative Consumption”.

        We share our rooms on AirBNB, airplanes on SurfAir, cars on Uber and Getaround, , our lives on Facebook, our jobs on LinkedIn, our favorite songs on Pandora or Spotify, our skills on TaskRabbit, bicycles from Liquid, money from Lending Club, even our Wi-fi via Fon.

        This leads to just general sharing, caring and trust. My generation is all about trying to get along and want to share that with the world, and make a buck in the meantime.

        It’s people like crazy, angry uncle Trump who lies to save face, name calls for his own egotistical benefit, picks fights to gain control that we find very hard to accept. It’s all about approach and todays middle America Oldsters have lost their way.

    • That looks like it fell out of brainamp.xls, lol… final top in aug around 3,150?

      • Haven’t checked that brainamp out yet, might give a look. There will be no final top,at least not for the next 10 years. I wanna say 20 years but I always get out early :-)

  2. Trump should be considered like a suboptimal boss in a business situation. Americans should support him in doing the best job he can, because the alternative is that everybody gets fired, the whole department gets shut down and outsourced to a consulting firm consisting of unelected bankers and military generals who want a world war and a world population of 500 million.

    If Trump is removed from office for any reason, the next president will not see his job as governing a nation of spoiled, opinionated whiners, but rather as a last ditch opportunity for him and his friends to loot the remainder of the country. Refer to Venezuela and the Clinton foundation for examples.

    Going for the dark star award, it means a boot on the face of Americans, forever.

  3. here is a way to cut down on chat is charge $1 a word on certain days and less on other days and more on days when you just dont want to hear it , dont know any one doing it like that , any comments , it like the highest bidder like a newspaper with advertisement goes oh well wont hear much from the bryce , who is the high bidder , gosh iam full of it, whether we get to comment or not it would be something to get to see who has deep pockets

    • only thing is mr soroes and his crew would be making george a lot wealthier

      • Bingo, Bryce! Exception though, George has their number. They are scared of him, thus the liberal leftistas posting here and tag teaming George. They don’t like to pay the ‘opposition’ that is smart, they only like to ‘produce the opposition’ who is on their side.

  4. when enough people stop voting for the lesser of to evils and stop believing that we actually have a choice, then maybe this broken system will fall and we with all the intelligence that we as humans can muster will bring us through this 6th great mass extinction that we are in . If not we are outa here!!!!!

  5. In his oft-repeated speech in the Roman Senate, Cicero, in 42 B.C. spoke these words: “A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor – he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation – he works secretly and alone in the night to undermine the pillars of a city – he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resists. A murderer is less to be feared.” How History repeats itself……..

  6. Anyone who gave Hillary money is just not as smart as he thinks he is…

  7. So George,
    What do you think about Trump calling the House version of the “groundbreaking” (his words)Health Care bill he celebrated earlier this year, now calling it “Mean”?

    That’s the best word he could come up with? Mean? He couldn’t give more details of why he considers it Mean?

    He just can’t make up his mind what he wants can he? If you were a GOP member of the house, how would you be feeling right now? A little ticked off that the bill you busted your butt off to please this clown is now being ridiculed as “mean”?

    What kind of leader does that? He uses, abuses and is full of excuses. The worst kind of human being. I can see a huge revolt in the making with the alt right conservative wing of the House beginning to boil over his wanting more money in the health care bill.

    I give Trump till the end of summer. I am sure impeachment proceedings are on the way. This time started by the conservatives, with the Dems joining forces. Now that is bi-partisanship.

    Now, he wants more money invested in health care, which brings us back to where we were with Obamacare.

  8. I heard great News today! Basketball is a passion of mine. It has been since I was old enough to walk and the greatest basketball I have ever witnessed in action, the Golden State Warriors won the NBA Championship last night for the second time in 3 years. This was their third straight visit to the Finals. That is a big statement coming from an Atlanta Hawks fan like myself.

    I watched it from a hotel bar last night in Texas and the entire bar was filled with NBA fans marveling at the incredible, unselfish and cohesiveness of the Warriors, despite there being 4 All-Stars, two League MVP’s, who are superstar status on this team. The most important thing about the Warriors is that they have integrity, are not showboats and win with dignity.

    The icing on the cake for me and the rest of the basketball world I grew up with, was when the Warriors announced they do NOT want to visit the White House this year, at least while Trump is the President.

    That’s right, one of the greatest, record breaking teams to ever put on a uniform is standing up for what they believe in. I just wish our Congressman, Senators, and Cabinet members had the same set of privates to do the same.

    For the record, The Cleveland Cavaliers and LeBron James were not going to visit the White House either if they won. And, given Greg Popovichs well publicized tirades against the Boob in Chief, I doubt the San Antonio Spurs would have visited either, had they won.

    In the scheme of things, this is probably no big deal. They are just a bunch of dumb jocks right? Well, no, not really. The Warriors, Cavs and others are Icons. The Warriors and Cavs sell out every game and have been doing so for many, many years. It is a hot and expensive ticket and these teams attract some of the top business movers and shakers of our generation. Two seats in the front row of last nights game sold for $133,000 a piece.

    These are the elite of the elite of all athletes. Their opinion has an audience. And that audience listens. Never in the history of sports has a team in unison dissed a visit to the White House. I believe I read, since 1867. That is the power of displeasure that Trump brings to the forefront. That is how much people absolutely hate the Dunce in Chief.

    • Jonh, this is SO typically you/liberal/democrat nonsense

      You go on for a whole article worth of sports spoew and don’t even give the final score!

      This is proof again how democrats think (or don’t)

      As with the Trump admin, it’ll be the final score that matters.

      And the dems will completely miss it roflol

      • Are you living in a cave? You really don’t know the final score? This is the greatest basketball team of all time. You couldn’t perhaps look it up in the front page of the local paper, or Google it? Has it gotten to the point that I need to spoon feed you old man?

        Oh, that’s right, you only listen to the Alex Jones Alt Reality station, where nothing is real. I don’t believe sports exist in his world.

      • Some of us don’t need ritualized war-substitutes as “entertainment.”

      • Jon – while I agree with some of what you write, what’s up with the personal attack on the generous host of this site with you calling him an old man among other things? Would you want anyone to refer to a member of your family or friends that way?

        Personal insults never won an argument or convinced anyone of anything. Do what you teach your kids to. Act accordingly please.

      • Wavecrave,

        If the host of this site wants to dish it out by calling my comments democratic nonsense and insinuating that we don’t think, then he has to able to take it like an “old man”, which, by the way, was more ribbing than an insult. George often likes to remind me that he is older and wiser than me and my generation, so I gave him a ribbing back.

      • Jon,
        1. Every time you write you show you don’t think.
        2. You’re not old enough or well read enough to have a sense of NBA history.
        3. When NBA championships became a matter who could spend the most money, many of us lost interest.
        4. The hate and anger you spew makes you part of the agar upon which the disease of violence grows. See today’s news.

        Violence is the refuge of the incompetent.

    • Bread and circuses. Makes no difference if the circus is a sports game or the markets. Neither will make a diffference five years from now.

      What will make a difference is the fact that the USA no longer has a functioning federal government, rule of law, or a viable economic system.

      All the prognosticators that have been correct in their financial and political forecasts (Ron Paul, Paul Craig Roberts, Jim Sinclair etc.) for the last decade plus now say the USA systems have failed beyond the recovery point, and that many Americans will die before the reset occurs.

      Like the doctor who diagnosed the healthy man as ill because he had not seen one in so long, none of you seem to remember what any if the above looks like. If I thought I had no other choice, I would be in denial too.

      The serfs of the medieval manors of the past were the residents of the cities who fled, leaving all property behind in an attempt to survive. They were those who were not entranced by the bread and circuses. That’s the history replicating now, not the 1930’s. The view of a rear view mirror is not beneficial, you need to turn around completely and STUDYwith a telescope.

      That’s how it looks from Ecuador, eight years out, by someone who has nothing vested in seeing the USA as a viable culture because I can’t tolerate seeing the alternative.

    • Hold on there Sober: Tennis shoe bomber, remember? I’m talking terrorists who get on (or put thing on) okabes

      • Interesting web page Sober.

        I’m assuming Sober’s post is tongue-in-cheek. With all the 9/11 truther sites out there the is probably one of the best due to the immense number of professionals that say the towers should not have fallen the way they did. Given the strong likelihood that this is true some much more powerful agency with the resources to demo at least 3 full size skyscrapers – with people in them and one that wasn’t even touched by a plane – our fears of forces arrayed against us should be concentrated more toward “official” agencies and political PTB. Starting with the Oklahoma City bombing we’ve been stampeded into accepting the loss of most of our freedoms for the benefit of the few.

        The divisiveness that haunts our country and is mirrored in your comments section, George, has been played out by these PTB and is now being taken up by the partisan people as we see with the shootings this morning. With every act, with ever incident everyone needs to search diligently for an answer to the question “cui bono?”

  9. WAIT.
    So we got from this TO THIS:
    ?? Either Trump KNEW that the election was actively being tampered with by “a guy in a basement in new jersey” to make it go a certain way, or the Dems hacked themselves into losing the election.
    Even a statistical guy such as you has to admit that the probabilities of Mr. Trump using the rigged as a “random” excuse to the present reality that there is ACTUAL EVIDENCE of hacking into election systems is too much coincidence here, George.
    Everything is a business model, like you say.
    There is a BIG difference between the opportunistic re-districting, the under the table quid-pro-quos and all the shenanigans that RepubliCorps and DemonCrats do every two years AND Outright buying out a whole election via the nation’s most vindictive enemy.

    Make America Great Again?? by going to bed with the Russians? I am anxiously waiting to see how will that baby look like when it’s fourth birthday rolls along. Congrats, Comrade Krushner.

    • You really must learn to become more discerning.

      Trumps comment on rigged referred to Bernie Sanders and the DWS fixing on the democrat side.

      The further sanctions against Russia are based on everything from election tampering efforts to north korea and Syria relations and so much else.

      Don not see linkage where it can not be demonstrated.

      • Trump was not referring to Bernie Sanders. There are dozens of instances where he used the word. Here are a few.

        At a rally in Albany, New York, on April 11, for example, Trump railed against the Republican primary process, calling it a “rigged, disgusting dirty system.” Later that month, at a rally in Indiana, Trump called the Republican primary process “a rigged, crooked system that’s designed so that the bosses can pick whoever they want.”

        Trump, June 7: After years of disappointment, there is one thing we all have learned — we can’t fix the rigged system by relying on very, and I mean this so, so strongly, on the very people who rigged it, and they rigged it, and do not ever think anything differently. We can’t solve our problems by counting on the politicians who created our problems.

        Trump, June 22: … Because it’s not just the political system that’s rigged, it’s the whole economy. It’s rigged by big donors who want to keep wages down. It’s rigged by big businesses who want to leave our country, fire our workers, and sell their products back into the United States with absolutely no consequences for them. It’s rigged by bureaucrats who are trapping kids in failing schools. It’s rigged against you, the American people.

        And, no surprise, but Trump Claims he “was the first to use” the term “rigged” and “then all of a sudden Bernie [Sanders] started using it and other people.”

        Here is the full quote and it is a stream of consscious doozy.

        Trump in North Carolina, July 5: “And I used that term initially when I was running in the Republican primaries and I was the first to use it. Then all of a sudden it became a hot term. Everybody was using the word, “rigged, rigged, rigged.” But if you remember, I’d win Louisiana and I’d find out I’d be getting enough delegates, what happens? And places like Colorado which were so good to me, but all of a sudden we find out that they don’t have the vote. And other things. OK. I used the word great. And frankly I’ll be honest. If I didn’t win in landslides I wouldn’t be standing up here. You’d be watching some politician who would lose to Hillary Clinton. OK? Believe me. Believe me.

        I started winning — I learned about rigged very fast. I learned. But I used the term “rigged.” Then all of a sudden Bernie started using it and other people and now everyone talks about “rigged” but I’m gonna keep using it because I was the one that brought it up and I’m the one, and I asked a couple of political pros, “Did you ever hear the word rigged, it’s a rigged everything?” And they really — it hasn’t been a thing used, I guess it has to be somewhere along the line, but it hasn’t.”

        This is totally false, but then again, is there anything truthful that comes out of this clowns mouth?

    • The Russian economy is one of the most viable in the world, with a sound currency and consistent economic growth. It’s elected president consistently enjoys an 80%+ approval rate, with a consistent 10% disapproving because he treats America with too much respect.

      Russia was responsible for the outcome (victory) of World War Two, with 80% of all combat involving Russian troops. Russians today know their history and are not afraid of the USA. Why do you demonize them?

  10. I was considering BITCOIN and other crypto currencies as a method to speculate and grow some income. The markets have just gone too high for me to even get in on my paltry reserves! There is another way to provide for my need to become more independent and that is to build an energy generation station using Brown’s gas, (HHO), as a source of fuel to power a small gas engine to drive a 24Vdc heavy duty marine alternator. The output of the alternator will go to the battery bank of my solar power system which will allow me to have AC power 24/7. I can use this energy to power a hydroponic or Aquaponic food growing system. I can build this system over time with off the shelf hardware as money becomes available. I already have the alternator, a $1500 item. There are tons of youtube videos on various aspects of this technology. As much as I wanted to get into the crypto money I have to be realistic and take that other fork in the road!
    Happy Trails!!

  11. Given all the duplicity and “backstabbing” I would have gone with Sodom as the new moniker for our nations capital.

  12. Wow. Trump is talking right now and he just can’t stop talking about him and only him. Still talking about his what he is saying is his ‘convincing” election victory. The two women on each side of him look so uncomfortable. The one to his right looked like she was ready to hurl. (my company has a video wall in our main conference areas, I am at work and don’t watch TV all day). My coaches always pounded in my brain to be a gracious winner. Those who gloat, will sink a boat, he used to say. And, Trumps boat is sinking faster than a Titanic made of Swiss cheese.

    The business community as a whole is definitely taking note.

    The CEO of our company gave his weekly SOTU speech today and his topic today was “Don’t be a Trump”. It was a brilliant video montage of the hundreds of stupid things that have come out of the Circus Clown in Chiefs mouth, interspersed with eye opening, teachable moments. The speech was recorded and it was the type of message you would want to give to your own kids. It inspired the whole company.

    That message is that the quest for higher standards in our country has taken about 1,000 steps backwards with Trumps election. Fortunately, it has also created a movement in the world to make sure that this never, ever happens again. Look at what happened in Great Britain last week. They woke up and the brains took control again.

    Trumps unfortunate election here has helped raise the awareness in politics and is proof that complacency has dire consequences. Evil is a parasite that attacks when we aren’t paying attention. But, in a world where technology feeds our thirst for knowledge, evil (Trump) can be defeated.

    The movement is gaining steam, people are taking back their country, demanding their voices be heard. It is a beautiful thing to see good trumping evil. It has brought us closer and has caused many others to re-think their viewpoints and slowly, they are shedding that Scarlet Letter of being a Trump supporter.

    • Thank you for your comments and thoughts on President Trump and he’s amenasration. I did not vote for him but reading your comments seen the election you have converted me I will absolutely vote for President Trump in 2020 thank jon

    • This bothers me, not a big fan of Trump, but he is only 1/3 of the problem, and I feel like the focus on 1/3 lets the other 2/3 run wild…

    • I know no its not worth it encourage Jon, but holy cow what policy has Trump gotten implemented that has your panties in a bunch. What evil? Best I can tell this entire government continues on its do nothing pace. Which isn’t a bad thing in general given governments propensity to just mess things up. Our choices in the presidential election, in my opinion, were two of the worst in our recent history from the main parties. I voted Libertarian because I couldn’t stomach a vote for either of the two main candidates.

      In the emigration fight, I find the courts position tenuous at best, in that Obama campaigned very vocally the ACA was not a tax, yet his admin went before the Supreme court and argued it was a tax and John Roberts had the very suspect decision not for or against the legality, but that elections have consequences siding with the voters vs the law. Well here we are again, recent vote, voters knew Trump wanted further emigration restrictions, yet now somehow the POTUS tweets matter more then what is written in a Executive order. Politicians words have always been meaningless. Their votes and their actions are what should be evaluated and is the only thing courts should be ruling on.

      No matter who is elected we become more regulated, have less privacy, have more economic restrictions and have greater percentages or our earnings transferred to Washington. Nothing changes, but hey we get it, you don’t like Trump. Maybe you just come in daily and say “ditto”, will save you and others some time in scrolling.

  13. Washington D.C. was originally named Rome, Maryland… which means, Rome did not fall.

    How the world is really run – “ALL MISERY ON EARTH IS A BUSINESS MODEL”

    notes – a country’s minister is a servant of the system not the people. As long as we accept the system we serve the psychopaths.

    BIS is above the law…
    “The Bank For International Settlements sits atop the pyramid of power, followed by the IMF and World Bank. The power and directives flow downward through the big international banks, the multinational corporations, and finally to the governments. As Bernard explains, “All misery on earth is a business model.”

    a 9 min summary – Ronald Bernard, Dutch whistleblower


    full interview here – view to the end and see previews to parts 3 & 4, yet to come.
    Ronald gets emotional and points the finger as each must do their part.

    “Real Big Power: Revelations by insider Ronald Bernard-part 2

    for those that missed part 1 – beware, you might be shocked as to how the elite live

    “Ronald Bernard, revelations from an insider Part 1 (NL/ENG/FR/FIN/ES)

    • Joanie, thank you. Answered a lot of questions I had that I was working my way to these conclusions but couldn’t quite get there. No wonder why our air, water, and food are poisoned; our jobs are taken away; our country is being dragged into the new world order; vaccinations are killing our children and maiming them and us; our education system is crap; hollywood is a constant erupting cesspool of filth, immorality, violence, porn and violence against women, and culture destroying; the quest for equality which is breaking up the family; the country is flooded with drugs and all manner of people who don’t give a dam about the country; all the chaos on and on and on, and lastly the media, programmed to destroy the population’s spirit via lies and brainwashing. The worst is the sacrifice of children by these 8500 people at the top of the pyramid who worship evil. For sure Schumer, Pelosi, Bush family, Feinstein, McCain, Podesta, Bill and Hillary, etc., are members and so are many of the people we talk about here each and every day. But mostly most of them remain unknown/unseen/untouchable.

  14. While Trump is rhyming with Hoover, is it possible two timelines are folding and rhyming with Trump? All this hate and outright insults and public bashing hasn’t been this bad since Lincoln was elected. Is it possible that the Civil War AND Great Depression timelines have doubled-up and are playing out together, today?

    • That Don, is one of the more depressing thoughts of the week. We award your our Black Star of Death award…

      • When can we start posting meme’s in the comment section? Could start making meme awards…

      • Also…. I know, depressing thought but could we explore this idea further? I thinks it historically interesting if this could pan out that way… and really super super super super crappy.

        Maybe i should invest in an ATP, type in a 777, and throw dart at the board and see where i should go next.

    • Smartest comment in a very long time! Add to that earth changes and you’ve got the universe moving trifecta!

  15. Trump needs to go FDR on steroids by expanding the Court to the size of many grand juries,23.That would negate any future Obamas elected by the hordes.

  16. Ha George. Firing Mueller would put a nail in Trumps coffin. Even if he did fire him, Congress has the power to reinstate him, and they have said that is exactly what they will do.

    Plus, Mueller is too well respected to be fired. Mueller is widely seen as a nonpolitical, dogged investigator, respected on both sides of the aisle. When he was FBI director, The extension of his term passed the Senate 100-0, and he was also initially confirmed in 2001 unanimously, 98-0.

    The GOP was the main driver in the Mueller appointment. He was a George W Bush appointee. I am not sure why you think he is hiring Hillary and Obama supporters. Just because they contributed some money to her campaign? I did not vote for Hillary, yet I contributed $2500 to her campaign, just because I did not want the present boob in Chief to win. I know several GOP friends of mine that did the same thing. Thought process being, our money could influence a few more anti-Trump votes. Didn’t work out that way.

    Listen, most people with a conscious and a high functioning brain want to see Trump burn at the stake in the Salem scenario you pointed out. These people Mueller hired are just patriots trying to do the right thing. Trump is a disturbing mental case study that needs to be removed from office and his psyche of him and his followers studied so thoroughly so that the world never, ever has to endure such a tragedy of a leader again.

    Trump needs to be excoriated, exorcised and excommunicated as the piece of excrement that he is.

      • George, I am not sure what you mean by Patriots didn’t support the Clinton Family.

        If Clinton was elected, I would hope that the same scrutiny in reverse would be taking place and would have been highly appropriate with Hillary and her troubles as well.

        As I have stated many times, we had two HORRIBLE choices for President. Trump is dumb as a box of rocks and Hillary is nails on a chalk board. But, even though I did not vote for either of them, I am confident that Hillary would have been slightly better to stomach, short term by the fact she speaks English and not Gibberish. However, she would have been just as unproductive as Trump because of the Patriots wanting to charge her for her past transgressions, thereby making her impeachable in her own right.

        A Patriot is someone who stands up for evil. We had two evil choices. Both were a lose, lose proposition for the U.S. We need a re-set. I am pretty confident that whoever would emerge out of a re-set would be somebody that we all could be proud of, because, this time we all would be paying attention.

      • Jon if Clinton had been elected the deplorables would likely suffer through four years of further inept socialist government expansionism just like we did under Obama.
        A patriot supports the system not those who abuse it.
        Straight up Jon – how can you support the Clinton Foundation and pay for play?

      • Amen George! And sanctimonious blow hards and self righteous so called “GOP” rino who would pay anything to the Clintons shows their true colors. Jon is a shill, and has no real foundation. He is a hater and demagogue. I still say if he ain’t payin he shouldn’t be playin, as much as he does on the free side. Make him pay or limit his diatribe, I say.

    • Hey Jon… if Hillary can still be whining about losing the election, then THE PREIDENT can still be bragging about winning.

      • BillyinVA,

        Neither should be speaking. Hillary needs to shut up, crawl into a hole and fade into the sunset and Trump needs to go back to school and learn the English language. In fact, Trump would be happier going back to the constructiob development biz, negotiating hammers and figuring out when to schedule his next bankruptcy. That is the only thing he is good at.

    • To be honest, real patriots support neither party, because there isn’t much difference. Both parties want war, both want more taxes (just differ in the setup).

      Both want crappy healthcare that feeds their lobbyists and neither has to use that very same healthcare. Instead, they get the “elite” healthcare offered only to them.

      Both parties care not a whit about the huge deficit we are running – they argue about how high to raise the deficit in the budget – they never try to reduce it.

      Both parties constantly pass legislation – as if we need even more laws on the books than we have now.

      Both parties are abhor changes to the IRS – voting records show.

      Both have their share of idiots (Pelosi/McCain, Waters/Graham, etc) and both happily pass any bill that increases military spending.

      Both parties believe we are in imminent danger of ‘russkies’, yet the US hasn’t ever been invaded and Russia hasn’t got any troops, tanks, missiles or anti-missile systems on our borders.

      Both parties happily engage in meddling in the Syrian civil war, Somalia, Libya and every other cesspool where the milplex can waste more money.

      Both parties take trips all over the world on taxpayer dollars, ostensibly to “fact-find” – and then vote in a way that indicates that don’t have a clue about the country they just visited.

      The corruption is at such an immensely high level, and permeates every single issue and level of the federal government that what government does is becoming less relevant to the people every election.

      At this point, the only people really engaged in this mess are those who actually believe that the democraps and repugnicans actually differ on issues. Go look at congressional voting records – take a good look – and you will see where the term “lip service” originated.

      They put on a show, but the votes are counted and quid-pro-quo done elsewhere. If somebody needs to dissent due to issues back in the district, they make sure things can pass without that vote or with an abstention.

      Can’t help it – national voting has about the same rationale as why a dog licks his danglers – because he can…and it has about the same result.

      • Good day Urban Survival Fellowship,

        Thank you OM2 for the well said TRUTH!

        Hilarious Jon made a fraudian(sic) slip:

        “A Patriot is someone who stands up for evil.”

        He also puts his money where his mouth is – down the RAT HOLE…

        Now I see why Jon is so confused – thanks for clearing that up!

    • do you have anything to say about Hillary, Bill or fast and furious Obama in the same arena that you speak of Trump?

    • That’s not what Colleen Rowley has said about Mueller and Comey. She was TIME person of the year in 2002 and does not speak favorably of either.